Comments on: JeffCroft.com: What does it mean to be a “professional” web designer? http://www.webdevelopment2.com/jeffcroftcom-what-does-it-mean-to-be-a-professional-web-designer/ Quick and Dirty Web Development for Web 2.0: CakePHP, Prototype, JQuery, and lots more. Thu, 29 Jul 2010 11:51:15 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Baz L http://www.webdevelopment2.com/jeffcroftcom-what-does-it-mean-to-be-a-professional-web-designer/comment-page-1/#comment-43 Baz L Thu, 26 Oct 2006 03:44:21 +0000 http://www.webdevelopment2.com/2006/10/25/jeffcroftcom-what-does-it-mean-to-be-a-%e2%80%9cprofessional%e2%80%9d-web-designer.htm#comment-43 Please Jeff, No disrespect of offense was intended, first off. On point 2, that is the impression I got from your post. I found it to be quite general in classifying anyone who doesn't fit into the "Professional" category as a "hack". I have re-read your post and came to the same conclusion. My apologies on putting words in your mouth. Point 3 was a general statement, relax. My point was that clients often send a budget to you before even hearing a word about design. I have never and will never refuse a job because it is "too cheap", that's not the way I work. I also will not put in more work than the job pays. As a "professional" you have to learn how to balance the two. You are right, I am a web developer, but not for the reason you stated. It's Wordpress, and I find that a lot of the Wordpress themes suit their purpose ideally. To me, and a lot of others design of a blog is irrelevant. The majority of my readers read by feeds and don't even remember what my "theme" looks like. I am however, part of a web design team. As I stated, each member of my teams has a specific purpose. I could design if I wanted to, but I usually leave it to the person with more experience. Please Jeff,

No disrespect of offense was intended, first off. On point 2, that is the impression I got from your post. I found it to be quite general in classifying anyone who doesn’t fit into the “Professional” category as a “hack”. I have re-read your post and came to the same conclusion. My apologies on putting words in your mouth.

Point 3 was a general statement, relax. My point was that clients often send a budget to you before even hearing a word about design. I have never and will never refuse a job because it is “too cheap”, that’s not the way I work. I also will not put in more work than the job pays. As a “professional” you have to learn how to balance the two.

You are right, I am a web developer, but not for the reason you stated. It’s Wordpress, and I find that a lot of the Wordpress themes suit their purpose ideally. To me, and a lot of others design of a blog is irrelevant. The majority of my readers read by feeds and don’t even remember what my “theme” looks like. I am however, part of a web design team. As I stated, each member of my teams has a specific purpose. I could design if I wanted to, but I usually leave it to the person with more experience.

]]> By: Jeff Croft http://www.webdevelopment2.com/jeffcroftcom-what-does-it-mean-to-be-a-professional-web-designer/comment-page-1/#comment-42 Jeff Croft Thu, 26 Oct 2006 01:54:14 +0000 http://www.webdevelopment2.com/2006/10/25/jeffcroftcom-what-does-it-mean-to-be-a-%e2%80%9cprofessional%e2%80%9d-web-designer.htm#comment-42 I'm really, really stumped by some of of your points. Let me just ask you: 1. What makes you think you are a hack? You don't seem to be to me. 2. What in God's name makes you think I would tell a potential client, “if you’re not willing to pay for proper CSS design, Table-less design pages then got to a ‘hack’”. I would NEVER do such a thing, and find it a little bit offensive that you put those words in my mouth. 3. What do you know about my financial situation? You really seem to have misunderstood my post. When I referred to hacks, I was referring to people who weren't capable designers. Whether or not they had "tableless code" is pretty irrelevant. I was talking about design. I was talking about people who know nothing about graphic design and call themselves a designer. That has nothing at all to do with code. It seems to me that you are a web developer, not a web designer. (based on the fact that you didn't design your own site -- you're using a theme). So if you aren't a web designer, does any of this even apply to you? I’m really, really stumped by some of of your points. Let me just ask you:

1. What makes you think you are a hack? You don’t seem to be to me.
2. What in God’s name makes you think I would tell a potential client, “if you’re not willing to pay for proper CSS design, Table-less design pages then got to a ‘hack’”. I would NEVER do such a thing, and find it a little bit offensive that you put those words in my mouth.
3. What do you know about my financial situation?

You really seem to have misunderstood my post. When I referred to hacks, I was referring to people who weren’t capable designers. Whether or not they had “tableless code” is pretty irrelevant. I was talking about design. I was talking about people who know nothing about graphic design and call themselves a designer. That has nothing at all to do with code. It seems to me that you are a web developer, not a web designer. (based on the fact that you didn’t design your own site — you’re using a theme). So if you aren’t a web designer, does any of this even apply to you?

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