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		<title>By: Vishwa Rao</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vishwa Rao</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 16:45:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ben, Remi
Thank you. I am convinced about Ruby/RoR. I will learn and implement it.</description>
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Thank you. I am convinced about Ruby/RoR. I will learn and implement it.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Lloyd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin Lloyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jan 2010 21:35:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I will say this, ASP.NET is quite different from classic ASP.NET. This comes from someone who start with CakePHP, did some Rails, and maintains a classic ASP.NET application that I&#039;m slowly trying to port to ASP.NET MVC.

ASP.NET MVC is closer to other development frameworks, so it&#039;s not that difficult to jump back and forth. If you are already comfortable with .NET then ASP.NET MVC is the obvious choice. It&#039;s all about productivity.

I&#039;ve done some Rails and although it&#039;s nice, I was already familiar with CakePHP, so that was my obvious choice.

Good luck!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will say this, ASP.NET is quite different from classic ASP.NET. This comes from someone who start with CakePHP, did some Rails, and maintains a classic ASP.NET application that I&#8217;m slowly trying to port to ASP.NET MVC.</p>
<p>ASP.NET MVC is closer to other development frameworks, so it&#8217;s not that difficult to jump back and forth. If you are already comfortable with .NET then ASP.NET MVC is the obvious choice. It&#8217;s all about productivity.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve done some Rails and although it&#8217;s nice, I was already familiar with CakePHP, so that was my obvious choice.</p>
<p>Good luck!</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 22:09:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d say go for Rails, but if you don&#039;t know Ruby programming yet, I&#039;d advice you to dive into it before learning Rails. These are great places to learn Ruby : 
- http://rubylearning.com/satishtalim/tutorial.html
- http://www.ruby-doc.org/docs/ProgrammingRuby/
- why&#039;s poignant guide to ruby (.pdf) http://www.ember.co.nz/files/resources/whys-poignant-guide-to-ruby.pdf

These are a few remarks that I&#039;d like to add : 
- Ruby is an amazing programming language that involves agile development methods that will rock your world (if you have time look at Rspec and Cucumber)
- It has a quite small learning curve
- Rails has a huge and friendly community
- Using Linux or Mac OSX makes your life easier when you work daily with Ruby
- You&#039;ll never loose your time learning Ruby, it can always make you better developer to learn a new language!

Have fun!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d say go for Rails, but if you don&#8217;t know Ruby programming yet, I&#8217;d advice you to dive into it before learning Rails. These are great places to learn Ruby :<br />
- <a href="http://rubylearning.com/satishtalim/tutorial.html" rel="nofollow">http://rubylearning.com/satishtalim/tutorial.html</a><br />
- <a href="http://www.ruby-doc.org/docs/ProgrammingRuby/" rel="nofollow">http://www.ruby-doc.org/docs/ProgrammingRuby/</a><br />
- why&#8217;s poignant guide to ruby (.pdf) <a href="http://www.ember.co.nz/files/resources/whys-poignant-guide-to-ruby.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.ember.co.nz/files/resources/whys-poignant-guide-to-ruby.pdf</a></p>
<p>These are a few remarks that I&#8217;d like to add :<br />
- Ruby is an amazing programming language that involves agile development methods that will rock your world (if you have time look at Rspec and Cucumber)<br />
- It has a quite small learning curve<br />
- Rails has a huge and friendly community<br />
- Using Linux or Mac OSX makes your life easier when you work daily with Ruby<br />
- You&#8217;ll never loose your time learning Ruby, it can always make you better developer to learn a new language!</p>
<p>Have fun!</p>
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		<title>By: remi</title>
		<link>http://www.webdevelopment2.com/cakephp-ruby-rails-bias/comment-page-3/#comment-28349</link>
		<dc:creator>remi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 19:32:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can&#039;t really compare a web application framework (Rails) to .NET.  Are you comfortable coding ASP.NET apps?  ASP.NET MVC apps?  That&#039;s a closer comparison.  Which framework you use is really up to you!

Both Rails and .NET frameworks can easily support your requirements.  If you&#039;re going to spend the time to develop your application, I would ask myself ... which tool do I most enjoy working with?  Maybe this is a good excuse for you to take the time to learn Rails so you can use it on future projects (Rails is a great tool to be familiar with for rapidly developing web applications).  Maybe you have a reason to continue using ASP.NET [MVC] and ... that might be the right tool.

I use Rails because:
 - It&#039;s significantly faster / easier to create Rails applications than ASP.NET apps
 - I love Ruby
 - I enjoy programming with Ruby/Rails more than programming against the CLR (C#)

If you code your application in Rails, it will likely take less time to develop and you&#039;ll end up with a smaller, more maintainable codebase.

In the end ... it&#039;s really up to you!  This is coming from an ex-ASP.NET developer, now Rails developer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can&#8217;t really compare a web application framework (Rails) to .NET.  Are you comfortable coding ASP.NET apps?  ASP.NET MVC apps?  That&#8217;s a closer comparison.  Which framework you use is really up to you!</p>
<p>Both Rails and .NET frameworks can easily support your requirements.  If you&#8217;re going to spend the time to develop your application, I would ask myself &#8230; which tool do I most enjoy working with?  Maybe this is a good excuse for you to take the time to learn Rails so you can use it on future projects (Rails is a great tool to be familiar with for rapidly developing web applications).  Maybe you have a reason to continue using ASP.NET [MVC] and &#8230; that might be the right tool.</p>
<p>I use Rails because:<br />
 &#8211; It&#8217;s significantly faster / easier to create Rails applications than ASP.NET apps<br />
 &#8211; I love Ruby<br />
 &#8211; I enjoy programming with Ruby/Rails more than programming against the CLR (C#)</p>
<p>If you code your application in Rails, it will likely take less time to develop and you&#8217;ll end up with a smaller, more maintainable codebase.</p>
<p>In the end &#8230; it&#8217;s really up to you!  This is coming from an ex-ASP.NET developer, now Rails developer.</p>
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		<title>By: Vishwa Rao</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vishwa Rao</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 17:08:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am .Net developer. I am completely new to Ruby on Rails. I want to develop a web application that can do several things 1) support web service for data exchange. 2) Highly secure with XML encryption 3) Portal where users can chat, exchange info./images (something like Facebook Lite) . 4) In future the numbers of users is expected to be 500k.
Is Ruby on Rails better than .NET keeping in view of above requirements?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am .Net developer. I am completely new to Ruby on Rails. I want to develop a web application that can do several things 1) support web service for data exchange. 2) Highly secure with XML encryption 3) Portal where users can chat, exchange info./images (something like Facebook Lite) . 4) In future the numbers of users is expected to be 500k.<br />
Is Ruby on Rails better than .NET keeping in view of above requirements?</p>
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		<title>By: Manhattan</title>
		<link>http://www.webdevelopment2.com/cakephp-ruby-rails-bias/comment-page-2/#comment-28204</link>
		<dc:creator>Manhattan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 22:30:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said!  Yes, there are several extra hoops to jump through for RoR compared to Cake.  Also, it seems that Cake is in its infancy, so just give it a few more months and who knows what will be possible!  I guess one thing worth mentioning is that if you&#039;re dealing with a huge coproration that has major resources and already has a major international audience, I would go with Ruby on Rails all the way!  The documentation is already there to pull of an incredible end product.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said!  Yes, there are several extra hoops to jump through for RoR compared to Cake.  Also, it seems that Cake is in its infancy, so just give it a few more months and who knows what will be possible!  I guess one thing worth mentioning is that if you&#8217;re dealing with a huge coproration that has major resources and already has a major international audience, I would go with Ruby on Rails all the way!  The documentation is already there to pull of an incredible end product.</p>
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		<title>By: Dmitry Nikolaev</title>
		<link>http://www.webdevelopment2.com/cakephp-ruby-rails-bias/comment-page-2/#comment-27934</link>
		<dc:creator>Dmitry Nikolaev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 07:53:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The name of this article should be:
&quot;Ruby vs CakePHP from lazy PHP developer perspective&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The name of this article should be:<br />
&#8220;Ruby vs CakePHP from lazy PHP developer perspective&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: George</title>
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		<dc:creator>George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 07:07:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi all,
This discussion was very informative. Thank you, but I still find it hard to make a decision. Here is my situation. I have worked with php for a few years now and I feel comfortable with it but I have no problem learning another language as long as there is a strong community behind it. I am not limited by a client so I get to choose which ever one I prefer. I am not tightened by a deadline and I need a performance screamer framework. I am also looking for a framework that will integrate well with other open source projects like drupal (CMS) and phpBB (Discussion Board Forums) because I believe, correct if I am wrong, neither framework is mature enough to build CMSes or forums as stable and flexible as what is already available in the community.

Thank you</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi all,<br />
This discussion was very informative. Thank you, but I still find it hard to make a decision. Here is my situation. I have worked with php for a few years now and I feel comfortable with it but I have no problem learning another language as long as there is a strong community behind it. I am not limited by a client so I get to choose which ever one I prefer. I am not tightened by a deadline and I need a performance screamer framework. I am also looking for a framework that will integrate well with other open source projects like drupal (CMS) and phpBB (Discussion Board Forums) because I believe, correct if I am wrong, neither framework is mature enough to build CMSes or forums as stable and flexible as what is already available in the community.</p>
<p>Thank you</p>
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		<title>By: david</title>
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		<dc:creator>david</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 20:00:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>actually, rails is a *LOT* faster than CakePHP</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>actually, rails is a *LOT* faster than CakePHP</p>
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		<title>By: Baz L</title>
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		<dc:creator>Baz L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 23:51:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really need to update this post. :) Since then, I have actually started Ruby on Rails and love it. It just so happens that most of my current work is still in PHP, but I&#039;d love to be able to transition more fluidly to RoR. I just don&#039;t have many projects that require it right now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really need to update this post. <img src='http://www.webdevelopment2.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  Since then, I have actually started Ruby on Rails and love it. It just so happens that most of my current work is still in PHP, but I&#8217;d love to be able to transition more fluidly to RoR. I just don&#8217;t have many projects that require it right now.</p>
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		<title>By: remi</title>
		<link>http://www.webdevelopment2.com/cakephp-ruby-rails-bias/comment-page-2/#comment-27743</link>
		<dc:creator>remi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 16:32:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe people should use the tools they love.  If you love PHP, you should use it (assuming it makes sense for the project).  The same goes for Ruby and any other language out there ... if you love the tool and it works for your particular project, use it!

That said, it&#039;s simply untrue to say that &quot;Ruby on Rails is inherently slow&quot; ... RoR is **faster** than CakePHP.  That&#039;s not to say that CakePHP isn&#039;t any good or that Rails is the best ... but the fact remains: Rails is faster.

If you&#039;re looking for a hackers web framework and you&#039;re not quite satisfied with Rails, I would look into Merb.  It&#039;s simpler than Rails and much faster, too (*WAY* faster than CakePHP &amp; CodeIgniter).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe people should use the tools they love.  If you love PHP, you should use it (assuming it makes sense for the project).  The same goes for Ruby and any other language out there &#8230; if you love the tool and it works for your particular project, use it!</p>
<p>That said, it&#8217;s simply untrue to say that &#8220;Ruby on Rails is inherently slow&#8221; &#8230; RoR is **faster** than CakePHP.  That&#8217;s not to say that CakePHP isn&#8217;t any good or that Rails is the best &#8230; but the fact remains: Rails is faster.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re looking for a hackers web framework and you&#8217;re not quite satisfied with Rails, I would look into Merb.  It&#8217;s simpler than Rails and much faster, too (*WAY* faster than CakePHP &amp; CodeIgniter).</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 01:11:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dude, I read the hole post. That was really interesting : your point of view is honest and I appreciated that. You almost made me loose my cusiosity about Ruby. To me, main cons are : 

 - Less speed, more expenses. If I purchase an expensive dedicated server to support the technology, it shouldn&#039;t be slow. If I buy cheap hosting for php, it will be ok. If I purchase a dedicated host for php... It should be very fast!
 - Pain of learning a new language. I admit I love to learn, but this is true that php is such a great language I could not avoid while building a web application.

So I go into your sense, even though RoR looks smart.

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Ben’s last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/geeklynews/~3/450674155/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;“Nous avons été visités” affirme un astronaute célèbre&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dude, I read the hole post. That was really interesting : your point of view is honest and I appreciated that. You almost made me loose my cusiosity about Ruby. To me, main cons are : </p>
<p> &#8211; Less speed, more expenses. If I purchase an expensive dedicated server to support the technology, it shouldn&#8217;t be slow. If I buy cheap hosting for php, it will be ok. If I purchase a dedicated host for php&#8230; It should be very fast!<br />
 &#8211; Pain of learning a new language. I admit I love to learn, but this is true that php is such a great language I could not avoid while building a web application.</p>
<p>So I go into your sense, even though RoR looks smart.</p>
<p><abbr><em>Ben’s last blog post..<a href="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/geeklynews/~3/450674155/" rel="nofollow">“Nous avons été visités” affirme un astronaute célèbre</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: remi</title>
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		<dc:creator>remi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 01:18:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One more thing!  The reason people run into deployment issues with Rails is because Rails is nearly always deployed using an application server, just like .NET/Java ... and I&#039;m fairly certain that you can run a PHP application server too?  Maybe not.  Anyway, this is for performance.

Basically, when you use an application server, it loads up your application into memory so, whenever a user hits your site, the application is already loaded and can respond quickly.  Typically, PHP isn&#039;t done like that - each hit requires the full application to be loaded.  Someone correct me if I&#039;m wrong - there might be some caching that mod_php does but, basically, the whole app gets loaded once per request.

Typically, &quot;the whole app&quot; means a single PHP script for PHP, but for something like CakePHP or Rails, there&#039;s way more than that ... the environment might include the routes, the database connection objects, the template rendering engine(s) ... all kinds of stuff.

Rails *CAN* be run on a shared host perfectly well using any kind of *CGI, loading the full environment per request ... but this is very slow, which is why ruby web frameworks typically use application servers, so everything&#039;s loaded up and can be *very* fast.

Luckily, for anyone interested in Rails development, there&#039;s an Apache module (&quot;mod_rails&quot;) that can run ruby web frameworks, including Rails, and some shared hosts let you use this  :)  You might have to pay extra or upgrade your account on some hosts for this functionality, because of the memory usage, unfortunately.  That&#039;s why it&#039;s conventional for Rails developers to run their apps on their &quot;own&quot; servers (VPSes).

[/ rails deployment rant ]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One more thing!  The reason people run into deployment issues with Rails is because Rails is nearly always deployed using an application server, just like .NET/Java &#8230; and I&#8217;m fairly certain that you can run a PHP application server too?  Maybe not.  Anyway, this is for performance.</p>
<p>Basically, when you use an application server, it loads up your application into memory so, whenever a user hits your site, the application is already loaded and can respond quickly.  Typically, PHP isn&#8217;t done like that &#8211; each hit requires the full application to be loaded.  Someone correct me if I&#8217;m wrong &#8211; there might be some caching that mod_php does but, basically, the whole app gets loaded once per request.</p>
<p>Typically, &#8220;the whole app&#8221; means a single PHP script for PHP, but for something like CakePHP or Rails, there&#8217;s way more than that &#8230; the environment might include the routes, the database connection objects, the template rendering engine(s) &#8230; all kinds of stuff.</p>
<p>Rails *CAN* be run on a shared host perfectly well using any kind of *CGI, loading the full environment per request &#8230; but this is very slow, which is why ruby web frameworks typically use application servers, so everything&#8217;s loaded up and can be *very* fast.</p>
<p>Luckily, for anyone interested in Rails development, there&#8217;s an Apache module (&#8220;mod_rails&#8221;) that can run ruby web frameworks, including Rails, and some shared hosts let you use this  <img src='http://www.webdevelopment2.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   You might have to pay extra or upgrade your account on some hosts for this functionality, because of the memory usage, unfortunately.  That&#8217;s why it&#8217;s conventional for Rails developers to run their apps on their &#8220;own&#8221; servers (VPSes).</p>
<p>[/ rails deployment rant ]</p>
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		<title>By: remi</title>
		<link>http://www.webdevelopment2.com/cakephp-ruby-rails-bias/comment-page-2/#comment-27577</link>
		<dc:creator>remi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 01:07:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;And who the hell like slow applications anyway.&quot;

I love it when people assume that, because it&#039;s written in PHP, CakePHP is faster than Ruby on Rails.

PHP is faster than Ruby.  A *lot* faster.
Ruby on Rails is faster than CakePHP.  About 15x.

Ruby is created to be dynamic - to be changed on the fly.  Ruby is much faster when it comes to meta-programming and the like (the things that make Rails and CakePHP possible).  PHP&#039;s fibonacci sequence, on the other hand, is *way* faster than Ruby&#039;s ... for all the times you find yourself needing to do that!

I used to adore PHP so I&#039;m not an outsider here, but I&#039;m a Ruby on Rails professional now.  For web application development, I find Ruby on Rails to be more productive than anything I&#039;ve used but there are many great alternatives, like CakePHP.  If it weren&#039;t for the fact that I *love* Ruby (and RoR has a significantly larger community and is faster and whatnot), I would be just as happy to code in a framework build in PHP or Python or something.

Good points in the post - using something that you already know the language for is ideal!  Anyone who&#039;s interested, however ... from the perspective of an ex-PHP coder ... I love Rails and it&#039;s worth trying out.  There&#039;s a LOT of demand for it right now, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;And who the hell like slow applications anyway.&#8221;</p>
<p>I love it when people assume that, because it&#8217;s written in PHP, CakePHP is faster than Ruby on Rails.</p>
<p>PHP is faster than Ruby.  A *lot* faster.<br />
Ruby on Rails is faster than CakePHP.  About 15x.</p>
<p>Ruby is created to be dynamic &#8211; to be changed on the fly.  Ruby is much faster when it comes to meta-programming and the like (the things that make Rails and CakePHP possible).  PHP&#8217;s fibonacci sequence, on the other hand, is *way* faster than Ruby&#8217;s &#8230; for all the times you find yourself needing to do that!</p>
<p>I used to adore PHP so I&#8217;m not an outsider here, but I&#8217;m a Ruby on Rails professional now.  For web application development, I find Ruby on Rails to be more productive than anything I&#8217;ve used but there are many great alternatives, like CakePHP.  If it weren&#8217;t for the fact that I *love* Ruby (and RoR has a significantly larger community and is faster and whatnot), I would be just as happy to code in a framework build in PHP or Python or something.</p>
<p>Good points in the post &#8211; using something that you already know the language for is ideal!  Anyone who&#8217;s interested, however &#8230; from the perspective of an ex-PHP coder &#8230; I love Rails and it&#8217;s worth trying out.  There&#8217;s a LOT of demand for it right now, too.</p>
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		<title>By: Baz L</title>
		<link>http://www.webdevelopment2.com/cakephp-ruby-rails-bias/comment-page-2/#comment-27549</link>
		<dc:creator>Baz L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 04:51:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right now the number of hosts that allow Ruby on Rails has increased dramatically. You shouldn&#039;t have any problems right now. This post listed my reasons &quot;at the time&quot;. Currently, I&#039;m trying to move from small client based projects to bigger budget projects. With these, there is no &quot;existing host&quot; to bother about, so I have more flexibility.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right now the number of hosts that allow Ruby on Rails has increased dramatically. You shouldn&#8217;t have any problems right now. This post listed my reasons &#8220;at the time&#8221;. Currently, I&#8217;m trying to move from small client based projects to bigger budget projects. With these, there is no &#8220;existing host&#8221; to bother about, so I have more flexibility.</p>
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		<title>By: Deependra Solanky</title>
		<link>http://www.webdevelopment2.com/cakephp-ruby-rails-bias/comment-page-2/#comment-27548</link>
		<dc:creator>Deependra Solanky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 09:06:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have seriously learned ROR and stated to develop a website using it last year. But the real problem comes when I started to host the site on my shared hosting. Finally I give it up because I as well as my client was not so patient.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have seriously learned ROR and stated to develop a website using it last year. But the real problem comes when I started to host the site on my shared hosting. Finally I give it up because I as well as my client was not so patient.</p>
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		<title>By: dr. Hannibal Lecter</title>
		<link>http://www.webdevelopment2.com/cakephp-ruby-rails-bias/comment-page-1/#comment-27481</link>
		<dc:creator>dr. Hannibal Lecter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 08:25:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, as much as I love learning new stuff, I simply don&#039;t have the time. So there it is.

RoR might be the best thing on Earth, but I have something very similar in an environment I&#039;m familiar with, so why waste time!?

I have other things in my life, and PHP does the job. Period.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, as much as I love learning new stuff, I simply don&#8217;t have the time. So there it is.</p>
<p>RoR might be the best thing on Earth, but I have something very similar in an environment I&#8217;m familiar with, so why waste time!?</p>
<p>I have other things in my life, and PHP does the job. Period.</p>
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		<title>By: Baz L</title>
		<link>http://www.webdevelopment2.com/cakephp-ruby-rails-bias/comment-page-1/#comment-27461</link>
		<dc:creator>Baz L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 01:36:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Again I say, &quot;very bias look&quot;. When this was written, I didn&#039;t have time to go through all the stress of Ruby on Rails. As, some of my reasons indicate, attempting Ruby on Rails wouldn&#039;t have helped with most of these reasons.

I haven&#039;t gone into any specifics about code, structure, methodology, etc. Based on my comparison, all my reasons are VERY valid and I stick to them.

But as I&#039;ve said: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.webdevelopment2.com/choice-web-development-framework-matter/&quot;&gt;Your Choice of Web Development Framework Doesnâ€™t Matter&lt;/a&gt;, no one cares one way or the other: CakePHP, CI, Ruby on Rails, it&#039;s about getting a product up and running.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Again I say, &#8220;very bias look&#8221;. When this was written, I didn&#8217;t have time to go through all the stress of Ruby on Rails. As, some of my reasons indicate, attempting Ruby on Rails wouldn&#8217;t have helped with most of these reasons.</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t gone into any specifics about code, structure, methodology, etc. Based on my comparison, all my reasons are VERY valid and I stick to them.</p>
<p>But as I&#8217;ve said: <a href="http://www.webdevelopment2.com/choice-web-development-framework-matter/">Your Choice of Web Development Framework Doesnâ€™t Matter</a>, no one cares one way or the other: CakePHP, CI, Ruby on Rails, it&#8217;s about getting a product up and running.</p>
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		<title>By: Baz L</title>
		<link>http://www.webdevelopment2.com/cakephp-ruby-rails-bias/comment-page-1/#comment-27460</link>
		<dc:creator>Baz L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 01:30:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry to disappoint you Vic, but I have jumped on the Ruby train and trying to put this comparison into better perspective. What part of &quot;very bias look&quot; don&#039;t you understand?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry to disappoint you Vic, but I have jumped on the Ruby train and trying to put this comparison into better perspective. What part of &#8220;very bias look&#8221; don&#8217;t you understand?</p>
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		<title>By: mihailt</title>
		<link>http://www.webdevelopment2.com/cakephp-ruby-rails-bias/comment-page-1/#comment-27459</link>
		<dc:creator>mihailt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Apr 2008 19:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>:&#124; how can you even compare things if you haven&#039;t tried them?
as a opposite of previous comment i say that php community would win a lot if you would drop php and go ruby :&#124;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> <img src='http://www.webdevelopment2.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_neutral.gif' alt=':|' class='wp-smiley' />  how can you even compare things if you haven&#8217;t tried them?<br />
as a opposite of previous comment i say that php community would win a lot if you would drop php and go ruby <img src='http://www.webdevelopment2.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_neutral.gif' alt=':|' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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